Comments on Impossible Siebel: ABS Framework - Business Object Library

The short answer is YES. It is best to get support...

2011-10-25T08:24:31.717+11:00

The short answer is YES. It is best to get support from your vendor to upgrade the ABS/ATI framework.

What's the latest on the ABS/ATI Framework? I...

2011-10-25T03:10:41.788+11:00

What's the latest on the ABS/ATI Framework? Is it at all compatible with the ST eScript engine?

Thanks!

Siebel is not a development platform. Never need s...

2010-01-08T15:02:05.963+11:00

Siebel is not a development platform. Never need such a framework. Hard to maintain code and also not a best practice.

Jason, Good Post !!! Thanks for highlighting the ...

2009-12-03T18:35:26.518+11:00

Jason, Good Post !!!

Thanks for highlighting the benefits of the ABS framework.I can definitely see the advantages of this framework.
The framework will immensely improve the efficiency as well as the delivery time of any Siebel implementation.

There is sparse information about this framework on the net today.
The Siebel world will be greatly benefited if there is an ABS bookshelf detailing the architecture and the usage.
Once the framework is mature enough and properly unit tested, it needs to be published as a standard library that can be easily leveraged in a Siebel Implementation.

We are moving in the right direction. Thanks Jason. Keep up the good work !

Geeksajan
Siebel Musings
http://geeksajan.blogspot.com

As with any new technology, there is a learning cu...

2009-12-03T14:02:10.239+11:00

As with any new technology, there is a learning curve, and you need to factor that into your development time. It took me a few years to understand the difference between a BO and a BC! But delivering a project 99% on time with new technology is quite an achievement.

You are right, the BO layer is quite deep, but i wanted to keep it simple for all readers. The concepts of OOP and code structure will be covered in the next article: ABS - Code and Language Structure.

The long lost training notes, are you able to send it to me?

jason@impossiblesiebel.com

Your judgment of 2x improvement in efficiency is a...

2009-12-03T07:01:45.925+11:00

Your judgment of 2x improvement in efficiency is a misleading message to me.

It is true that you don't need many developers, especially costly
useless contractors.

It is also true that >100k lines of code can be shrunk to <10k lines.

But...

It is not true the overall development can be shortened to half its
original time, at least not for us. We spent a lot of time to atomize
the code because ABS itself is a perfectly atomized machine.

It is definitely not 2X improvement in time efficiency, but it is 99%
on time for sure.

The ABS framework version is immeasurably deep. It is too simple to
summarize the BO chapter with just one function called
GetChildFieldValue. I actually expected a little more, for example,
why is ABS programmed in such a classy way to make every line so
succinct? How did ABS achieve the three principles of object-oriented
programming?...

My project is probably the most unique Siebel project recognized by
Oracle. We need an application to manage hundred thousands of spare
parts and the suppliers of those spare parts. Our primary choice was
always SAP and Siebel was never in the picture. After meeting up with
SAP pre-sales, one of our engineers fed up with the sales talks and
started prototyping one of the requirement using Siebel. He hacked out
half of the required functionalities in one week while the SAP vendors
were still undecided about their right approach.

When the Siebel prototype was presented, a lot of people said "Are you
sure this is Siebel? You must be a fool". What they didn’t know was
that the Siebel solution was done with an impeccable framework.

What it implied is very striking: Siebel + Impeccable Framework =
Solution dominated by SAP.

Overall...

Siebel is good in process-oriented application but nothing close to excellent.

Siebel is adequate for lowly transacted system but inadequate for
heavy transaction.

To close these gaps, you need a smart architecture. If you owned a
buscomp of 100 calculated fields populated with multi-nested iif, this
level custom declaratives is as destructive as scanning 1000 lines of
dirty codes. It ain’t smart. The system will eventually become craps
if scripted rules and vanilla declaratives are all over the bodies of
Applet and BusComp.

My framework may not be similar to ATI as mentioned in your
introduction. Nonetheless I believe they share the same origin after
reading your ABS series. My version was based on the Siebel framework
adapted by NASA Ames. Yes, rocket scientists use Siebel. Furthermore
the one-page documentation (in German) is what I got to start with. I
was thinking to get it translated by Google and post it here if
possible.

This is really informative article and clearing ou...

2009-12-02T14:23:31.539+11:00

This is really informative article and clearing out lots of doubts about ABS.

Thanks a lot for such a nice initiative and great explanation.